yeah the climbing industry sux (it’s been in a declining growth state for years and the big companies don’t invest in the areas that would stimulate growth) and true, the climbing hold market is as saturated as kylie minogue’s t-shirt, but these guys have good looking shapes and, by the looks of it, some solid urethane. I will grant you that they feel very derivative of So-Ill Handholds, but the true masters always stand on the shoulders of their predecessors. For sure they are better than Metolius shapes. Only time will tell if these cats have the gumption to stick it out for the long haul.